Date: Mon Sep 22 07:54:11 1997
To: Frank Grose
From: Rob Weinberg
Subject: Answers (Re: Question du Jour)
I went looking briefly this a.m. for the "wall of separation" quote from Jefferson. I thought I might find it quickly in the briefs that had been filed in the Moore case. Couldn't locate it. Will keep an eye out for it.
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:45:55 0500
To: Rob Weinberg
From: Frank Grose
Subject: Re: Answers (Re: Question du Jour)
I went looking briefly this a.m. for the "wall of separation" quote from Jefferson. I thought I might find it quickly in the briefs that had been filed in the Moore case. Couldn't locate it. Will keep an eye out for it.
You'll find that President Jefferson penned those words in a letter to the Danbury Baptists Association to allay their fears that the First Amendment (which was being considered for passage) would somehow be used to take away their God given right to worship however and whenever they pleased. To them, such a right was inherent, and didn't need to be "given" by government. He was telling them that the First Amendment would erect a wall of separation between church and state, implying that this wall would protect the church from any encroachment by the state. If you search Supreme Court decisions up until the early sixties, you'll find references to "wall of separation" used in context, and to uphold religious freedom. Updegraph v. Commonwealth, 1826, and Vidal v. Girard's Executors, 1844, are a couple of cases that reflects the mood of Government in our better days. It was the Engle v. Vitale, 1962, case, without citing a single precedent, that declared prayer in schools unconstitutional. Courts have taken "separation of church and state" out of context ever since to extract our religious freedom.
Date: Mon Sep 22 13:14:51 1997
To: Frank Grose
From: Rob Weinberg
Subject: Re: Answers (Re: Question du Jour)
Good job on finding the "wall of separation" info. I'm currently auditing a course at AUM with my wife on the "Making of the Constitution." It focuses on the players at the Constitutional Convention of 1786. I'm interested in a little directed historical reading of the writings of Jefferson, Madison, et al., people who are often misquoted on the subject of original intent of the framers of the constitution. Should be interesting, just got back from the 2nd class.
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:18:50 0500
To: Rob Weinberg
From: Frank Grose
Subject: Re: Answers (Re: Question du Jour)
Good job on finding the "wall of separation" info. I'm currently auditing a course at AUM with my wife on the "Making of the Constitution." It focuses on the players at the Constitutional Convention of 1786. I'm interested in a little directed historical reading of the writings of Jefferson, Madison, et al., people who are often misquoted on the subject of original intent of the framers of the constitution. Should be interesting, just got back from the 2nd class.
The most thorough and authoritative source on the founding period I know is David Barton. He has an organization called Wallbuilders. The web address is below. He has a thoroughly researched and documented book called "The Myth of Separation" plus a bunch of other books, audio and video tapes. He is an excellent speaker and tours the country speaking wherever he can. I recommend that you get a copy of the above book as a valuable addition to your library, as well as to your knowledge of where we came from. His videos are awesome as well. He is a former high school teacher/principal who got into collecting original works and writings of the Founding Fathers. He discovered that what we thing (and have been taught) is not all correct. He has no agenda except the truth. He has the view that Jefferson, Washington, Adams, etc. knew more about what they thought and wanted for this country than those today who pervert the truth to push their own political/social agenda. You cannot watch his video "America's Godly Heritage" more than 15 minutes without feeling that you have been robbed by the education system. Highly recommended resources.
http://www.Christiananswers.net/wall/wallhome.html
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